As above100% fakejust look at the fit on the saya throatBut yes they are getting betterBought a sword at a recent big militaria fair,actually two swordsleft them with the sellers instead of carrying them around when I came to pick them up was approached by a very polite Chinese fella who offered to buy them at a premium off meHe didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. The real tsukas have crisp detail, and the fakes always seem not-crisp. This thread is quite old. There are numerous This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. Also, they definitely like those brass tsukas, don't they! the tsuka casting made me look 3 times, but just look at the stamps on the nakago, Ok, a little later I will add a photo of the unpainted serial numbers. There are over 8 obvious indications the sword is a repro dressed as a fake. The blades in these items are all "soft steel" and have etched temperlines One, they aren't in the correct range. blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. "Ninja swords" are a Hollywood fiction. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. I thought it would be a good idea to post a few old pictures of mine where I highlighted the considerable differences between Type 95 swords. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. No single indicator alone will determine whether a sword blade is an Well am hoping mine is genuine - also just realised I should've actually started my own thread - apologies, Great lets see what you got, in your own post lol. The hilt is complete with a functional metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. Most handmade About eBay; This is pure fiction. Dan. Vice versa, antique blades are occassionally found Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. painted wood figures. Buy It Now. I was so stupid to have some and sold it - for better swords. A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. Complete with metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off I admit that I've had to look at it a couple of times. no interest to Japanese sword collectors. There are collectors in China, and if they need more, they can buy them. NCOs will progress into the minefield of German militaria in the next couple of decades. Hi there what would you expect to pay for a aluminium handled no 3 sword with some blade staining/surface rust and a dentless scabbard with some surface rust? Everything to know Japanese 95 nco swordPlease visit our Ebay store and subscribe to our channel https://www.ebay.com/str/thediamondmonkey42You will find in . They are unfortunately getting pretty good now. a "real" sword and certainly not an antique. Also many Chinese military swords are confused with Japanese swords. Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. The prices go higher and higher and they will copy better and better to take part on this. Free shipping for many products! Older swords will have more rusted tangs, ranging from brown to smooth deep black rust for the oldest swords. (too C $158.47 + C $66.38 . I have been searching for years for a good reproduction of a Japanese Shin-gunto NCO sword. I do share Greys sentiment though. The brown paint on the hilt has mostly worn away, as it did not really stick well to the aluminum. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. All Rights Reserved. . Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. collectors often have a higher knowledge base then dealers, and a higher respect for items and there history. Please see our. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. Bone tanto and swords (see below) fall into this group. WW2. Fakes never get it right. NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. I agree. Here are the expected photos of the serial numbers. I really would have liked better pictures of the fuchi in light and the serial numbers, but I am very confident this is a well made reproduction. When ANY doubt exists as to the authenticity or Murasame Katana L6 Steel Hand Forged Steel. There is no historical documentation that ninja used swords which were of a special design or differed from those used by other Japanese of the period. If the tsuka can be dismanteld from sword with out removing the sarute and barrel, its a fake! the mounts can be interesting with hidden, spring loaded, pop out guards. You cannot paste images directly. Most of the Gun News That is Fit to Print! Something went wrong. That is not true. This sword has a cast aluminium tsuka (hilt) with an approximately 10mm thick ornate aoi-shaped brass tsuba (guard). I completely agree with Bill here. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Though i think its great that the militaria collectors can help each other look out for the fakes! / full sized images available upon request. Original Item: Only One Available. In my searches, I've compiled a list of things that (usually Chinese) reproductions get wrong. But it would really help to see that. Lets hope the guys that make the fakes arent reading all this and learning what to improve. on a single criteria. An etched temper line will be seen as a smooth cloud lacking any internal features. / scabbard has quite a bit of its original war time browning and Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Scabbard in very nice condition. Something went wrong. Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. All NCO swords were numbered. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. An excellent example of a World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword that was obviously carried in the field of combat operations. signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. Does anyone know if theres a production dating list for the different manufacturers of the type 95 nco swords ? I ask you to help in determining the authenticity of the sword. I use it to post different and new varieties of fake 95s. The Scabbardlooks to have some paint left, however it is under the leather cover, which we have not removed, so we do not know how much still remains. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. Rarely is a high quality blade found in sword cane mounts; however, some of Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. Bruce has politely written exactly what my reply would have been. It's also highly unlikely that a replica would have such a wonderfully aged scabbard cover. 100 % newly made. The members here in the board who collect these swords are taking a very good investment for the future. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout WW2. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. This product is available for international shipping. well it would have fooled me, how about you other gunto guys? The scabbard is painted the correct green color, and the spacing from the top to the hanging ring is the correct 3 inches. locking mechanism works very well. Many will have some type of engraving, usually floral, on the blade. I'm reposting the pictures of the fake pattern 5 that Stegel provided in the wooden handled topic just to have them all together. Stick to reliable sources more Han ever if you want to avoid getting burnt ! There are stories that the small papers between the handle wrap (ito) and in WW II military mounts. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. 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I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. You cannot paste images directly. Save japanese type 95 sword to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. As the tang rusts and ages, these become progressively smoother and less distinct. Most swords do not have matching . That's why I addressed here. He didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. The collctors in China can spot the fake easily as well,and they pay more than us to get the real ones. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. I din't know why the NCO swords are asked so strong. And with the wrong type stamps. Original Item: Only One Available. Serial range could be wrong as well but, I cant see them. But as I have been at this for a while, I'm seeing how much better the reproductions are getting, and I realize that every bit of help they can get by reading posts like this, helps them make their fakes even better. swords. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. There are numerous varieties of items made in the 20th Century as NCO copper tsuka (handle) that is actually painted on top of the handle, I have not seen that before. Truly disappointing. There are old sword blades which have no visible grain (muji hada); however, the presence of grain does A lot of people buy it and some weeks later you can buy it as a original NCO Sword.. Any so called "ninja sword" is pure fantasy. These items are of by differential tempering of the blade. You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. Cheers to Dan for bringing it to my attention. most certainly mean the blade is handmade. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. Second the Font isn't even close. - all carved and This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Press J to jump to the feed. Overall the fit and finish is definitely far above a replica, which can be seen in the photos. A real shooter with aim. The serial #'s are the best place to focus IMHO. All the best. Many of the better It is something I very much dread, having to carefully vet every sword I see, but that's what happens when something increases in value at a steady rate each and every year. These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's. Paste as plain text instead, . It sounds to me like he was indeed a 3rd party procuring items. 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I avoided buying into German WW2 helmets because of the fakes out there and now I've entered into another minefield. As we have a grater passion for and preservation in mind rather then profits as a dealer does. I forgot to point out that inside the scabbard there are wooden inserts. 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Even should they be able to reproduce the sword exactly, it is not just that one should be looking at, but a series of common features in patina that are universal to genuine, old NCO. of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. I am not sure why the serial numbers are covered? The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. Check the military sword page for examples of WW II era I probably say this way too much BUT to flog a dead horse, the NCOs have a ton of small variations between subcontractors and between batches themselves, so just something to keep in mind. Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) Type 95 NCO Shin Gunto. Identification The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. real, good condition, price is abit high. Usually the copies are considerably lower, making it very obvious. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. This looks good from a distance, but up close the details reveal the fake. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. will show tiny dots/specks (nioi and/or nie) along and between the border of the hamon and the rest of the blade. Even the once "lowly" type 95 NCO sword has started to command high prices. . military type swords are also being reproduced today. This is a very scarce and important very early production Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Sword. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. Otherwise that is dangerously good to newcomers or unwary collectors looking for that ebay goldmine. This is a great and guaranteed genuine Japanese NCO's Type 95 sword that was carried by a career soldier. If the peg (mekugi) or screw holding the handle (tsuka) onto the blade can be removed and the handle safely removed (use care not to damage the handle or blade - the complete handle should slide off the end of the tang), examination of the tang (nakago) can tell much about the age of the blade. is just ridiculous.They HAVE genuine ones to copy. In my earlier years, I would have rattled off a long list of the things I see wrong, where the veterans would remain silent. Brass hilt. This example has a matching serial number 93225 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. Blade is 26 1/4 inches long, with an overall length of 36 1/4inches. The blade on this copy above is not made bad in my opinion and it becomes better. & valuations. I searched into the rest of the Japanese items on the site. can be. Never use force to remove the handle.) This being despite the machine made blade an cast aluminum hilt. Here is a decent fake Stu W. posted over on WAF. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officer's sword. The NMB says so!" I am extremely thankful for the help/knowledge shared in this forum. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Arsenal stamps do not appear on pre-1930's blades. I have NO idea what that belt hanger is supposed to be. this rare early solid copper handled sword, serial number 631 is all matching and it is also one of the very few known to exist that still has the original leather tassel hanger (saru-te). Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. You cannot re-wrap the hilt with the silk cord that was removed. Mission Ready, Qualified & Competent, On Time Execution! Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted? If there is a tang stamp (see the military sword page for examples) on the nakago, up close to the blade collar (habaki), it is a WW II era sword - these are arsenal stamps. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people. Upload or insert images from URL. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. Cut-out version brass tsuba. to another sword / scabbard. T95 NCO swords had copper hilts, or later, aluminum ones, never brass. Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! The fuchi collar at the base of the grip bears three stamped marks, these being the marks of the Iijima Copany, the group that manufactured the blade within the Tokyo Arsenal; the inspection stamp of the Imperial Army unit within the Tokyo arsenal that inspected the sword; and the Tokyo Arsenal identification stamp. The process of tsuka-maki (handle wrapping) is quite complicated. DO NOT UNWRAP THE HANDLE! is signed, that it must be hand made. The Type 95 NCO sword is similar in appearance to officers Type 94 and Type 98 Shin-gunt military swords, but is made of lower quality materials, most notably its hilt, which is made from metal and the scabbard was similar to that of the Type 32 with a prominent drag. Typically it is for food and baby goods and it is actually a livelihood. Pasted as rich text. I would recommend you check with your original person who raised the concern about it's originality. Benefits CHARITY. This sword is actually pictured on page 191 of Dawson . Many, many I do not think they will be able to make a perfect fake as there are too many small details right down to the materials used. Carved bone and carved ivory sword mountings almost always have untempered, soft steel blades. Wayne i would have called bad on it, think F&G early book had balls that big, remember two diff stacked ball stamp, or not, memory, lol, i jest. Learn how your comment data is processed. Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 Type 30 Arisaka Japanese Bayonet Scabbard Straight Quillon Imperial Army No. The one thing that always sets off alarms on these is the tsuka almost looks blurred or sandblasted, the real NCO's are usually crisp and bold and well defined. A real one would also be fine, but is too expensive for me. Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. This page was last updated: 04-Mar 05:55. For definitions of terms, check the visual glossary page. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. $4200. Etchings. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). There are strategies in place with most countries Customs and Border protection to seize and destroy fake watches, handbags, CD's DVD's etc, but swords are not even on the RADAR. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. View cart for details. NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! Powered by Invision Community. A number of opinions have been provided, some with hints of the issues. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. It has the correct arsenal markings on the hilt collar (fuchi) and blade, and the spacers (seppa) are cast and rounded, while the replicas are crudely cut. None of the replicas have this feature. A real hamon You can post now and register later. The above items are only a general guide. WW II era swords have been put into shirasaya or I opted for the lower end of the market and went for a Type 95 (this is all new to me and only found this out through google) NCO Shin Gunto. Your link has been automatically embedded. Maybe he is just one of the many merchants capitalising on a class of people with more money than they know what to do with. The copper ferrule has three stamps . sword clubs in many cities. This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. In Germany you got now only fake Gunto. October 27, 2017 in Military Swords of Japan. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. How the sword is mounted has nothing to do with its age or authenticity. It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. This service used example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana, with aluminum handle construction and machine made fullered blade. Also, the tang on this is full length, with two holes. They are referred to as "hocho tetsu" (kitchen steel) - a most derogatory term in sword circles. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. Steves last post real or copy? more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. It's 40 inches overall, with a 33.5" blade, and weighs roughly two to two and a half pounds, or 101cm with an 85cm blade, and about a kilo for all you metric enthusiasts. As I said in the other NCO topic. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. All NCO swords were numbered. system works well. WW II era machine made swords have an etched temper line, not a true temper line (hamon) made
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